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MOVIE REVIEW: “Day of the Dolphin” (1973)

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What a strange, laconic film this is! Seriously: It starts out relaxed, doesn’t move very far, and takes its own sweet time getting there. Also, it picks an odd place to end, proving Wells’ old saw about the difference between tragedy and triumph being where you decide to stop telling the story.

In a nutshell - and believe you me, it doesn’t take a very big nut to hold this film - we’ve got George C. Scott as a marine biologist living on an island off the coast of Florida with his surprisingly-but-not-inappropriately young wife, a bunch of interns, and a couple dolphins. The star of the research facility is “Alpha” (“Fa” for short), a dolphin born in captivity and raised by humans without any contact with his own kind. As a result, he’s “Learned to speak people talk” as they say in Pokemon. Specifically, he can speak English, a bit, though it’s kinda’ hard to understand. He can understand English, too. A good corporation is funding the research in exchange for the tax dodge it provides, while the evil Paul Sorvino is posing as a reporter trying to gain access for some nefarious purpose or other.

As Fa has hit puberty, they give him a girlfriend, “Beta” (“Bea” for short). George and Mrs. George (Played by his real-life wife Trish Van Devere) are called away from the island by the company, and one of the interns gets a call from George saying the dolphins are to be loaded on to a yacht that’s gonna’ show up soon. When George and Trish get back to the island, they find Fa and Bea gone, along with one of the interns. Then the evil Paul Sorvino appears and explains - in a pretty good twist, actually - that he’s not evil, in fact the company and the intern are evil. They’ve kidnapped the dolphins for some nefarious purpose, and Paul Sorvino was actually trying to keep them from it. In the second good twist of the movie, we find that Sorvino *AND* the Corporate Goons are both working for the US government, albeit opposing factions.

The bad guys train Bea to place a bomb on the president’s yacht, which will kill him. Fa escapes, and George explains that bombs are designed to kill, so Fa warns Bea. The two of them plant the bomb on the bad guy’s yacht instead, which blows up and kills them in what results in one of the funnier uses of the “S-word” in early 70s SF. The movie doesn’t end, there, however. We get about another fifteen minutes or so where our heroes - George, Trish, Paul, and the interns - realize that the corporate goons aren’t going to let them live because they know too much. Sorvino basically bails on ‘em as a plane carrying gunmen approaches. George and Trish drive Fa and Ba away, then go hide in the woods, waiting to die.

The End.

OBSERVATIONS

Wow, that’s kind of a downer, isn’t it? This would be a great kids film were it not so glacially paced, didn’t have profanity, and didn’t end with everyone dying and the dolphins coming across somewhat like abandoned babies in the wilderness. It’s a weird film. It really is. Really, I could have summarized it in less space, and if we’re honest the stuff of note that actually happens in each act is haiku length, but it’s padded out to 90 minutes.

Thing is: despite that, it’s an engaging film. The sedate qualities give it an almost verite feel, or maybe a documentary feel. Not exactly, it’s not intended to be like that, but everything just takes so long that you kind of feel like you’re waiting along with these people for stuff to happen. It’s not an art film, it’s not really taking the long Russian road, but even by 1973 standards it’s pretty slow. It’s not surprising it was a bomb.

There’s also an interesting disconnect between the sweet, adorable, baby-talking dolphin (Bea never learns to speak) and the generally misanthropic feel of the movie as a whole. George C. Scott is playing a man who doesn’t like men, and prefers the company of fish. His wife takes an even dimmer view of corporate America. Paul Sorvino - who’s great in the movie, but seems a bit like a straight Nathan Lane this time out - is a government spook who’s perfectly content with the fact that he’s sent out to kill other spooks, and that they’re coming after him. The idea

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It was not only sci-fi that had bleak, violent themes, non genre films like The Wild Bunch, Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry, Twilight's Last Gleaming and many others showed the same depressing world view. Dark worlds where the normal institutions of civilization have become evil despotic entities or have broken down all together.

I account for this in a delayed reaction to the Vietnam War in Hollywood and the loss of trust in the government. People had lost faith so films with little faith in anything started to be made. The abandonment of the Hays Code also gave directors more freedom to show sex and violence and nudity. T

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In an intriguing coincidence, I was just out cruising for some inspiration for my next article, and came across this Web site describing science fiction films of the 1970's and 1980's.

http://www.filmsite.org/sci-fifilms5.html

Notice how many times the words "nihilistic," "dystopian," "post-apocalyptic," "aberrant," "violence-prone," "bleak," "perverse," "ravaged,"...well, you get the idea...pop up in the descriptions of the films being listed. I think the only time I saw a happy word was in a description of the robot in "Short Circuit," which of course featured evil scientists trying to capture and destroy a military robot that became self-aware and escaped.

It's this almost monolithic vision of the future as a grim and frightening place that nearly dominates the genre.

The page ends with a mention of the film "1984," which R3 wrote about in another entry.

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I'm really too depressed to do this today, but: nope.

>>Man you need to re-watch this movie, at the very beginning the crew that *is* on Mars dies. The rest of the movie is about them faking the Mars walk and return of the mission<<

Nope. The crew is loaded into the rocket, then surrepticiously unloaded and told in no uncertain terms that there was a problem with the life support, and they would not have survived the trip to Mars. For political reasons they can't abort the launch, so they send the ship, but keep the crew on earth and fake the human portions of the mission in a studio out west somewhere. (The astronauts are not thrilled with this, but go along with it). Once Capricorn 1 splashes down, they'll load the crew on to it secretly, unload them publicly, and no one will be the wiser.

Unfortunately, upon re-entry the (Empty) capsule's heat shield fails, and Capricorn 1 burns up. As there's no way the crew could have survived, the astronauts quickly realize NASA or the CIA or whomever is going to kill them, so they make a break for it, and the bulk of the film is a chase, culminating with the last surviving astronaut bursting into his own funeral at Arlington on live TV and interrupting the evil president who knows damn well what's been going on all along.

Roll credits.

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>>Capricorn 1 is about the US government faking a manned mission to Mars. At no point does anyone in the film leave earth, go to Mars, or anything else. It's as much SF as wrestling.<<

Man you need to re-watch this movie, at the very beginning the crew that *is* on Mars dies. The rest of the movie is about them faking the Mars walk and return of the mission.

>>I have to add that a LOT of the films from the mid-sixties to the mid-eighties were pretty violent and grim. Annnnnd a lot of contemporary films are pretty violent and grim. It's almost like the writers don't know how to come up with a compelling story, so they throw in a lot of explosions, spurting blood, body humor jokes, and fight scenes, and call that Action/Adventure. If it's done in space or in the future, or with robots, it's Science Fiction. If it has zombies or vampires, it's Horror/Suspense. If it's about a cop, it's Crime Drama. If it includes a smart-alec sidekick, it's Crime Comedy.<<

Their were two things fueling the sex and violence in late 60's early 70's films. One was a reaction to the Vietnam War which was seen on TV every night for a decade. Two the Hays Code which controlled what could be shown in a movie broke down. With the new freedom directors like Peckinpah told violent stories with some female nudity other directors were just following the pack.

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Kellogg prefers films without a lot of violence and gore, and thinks that this sort of film is misanthropic because it inflicts agony on human beings, or makes humans out to be inherently bad.

Kevin argues that a story needs conflict, and that a story about a man overcoming adversity and long odds is ultimately life-affriming, even if the character ends up getting killed.

I have to add that a LOT of the films from the mid-sixties to the mid-eighties were pretty violent and grim. Annnnnd a lot of contemporary films are pretty violent and grim. It's almost like the writers don't know how to come up with a compelling story, so they throw in a lot of explosions, spurting blood, body humor jokes, and fight scenes, and call that Action/Adventure. If it's done in space or in the future, or with robots, it's Science Fiction. If it has zombies or vampires, it's Horror/Suspense. If it's about a cop, it's Crime Drama. If it includes a smart-alec sidekick, it's Crime Comedy.

Kellogg's mentioned that he prefers films where the characters have to cooperate to overcome a threat from outside, such as in "The Thing From Another World." I'm guessing that his preference for teamwork is why he doesn't enjoy watching movies with anti-heroes, or stories where the military or the government is out to get their own people.

Kevin, on the other hand, seems to have a lot in his real life that he's fighting against and hoping to overcome, so it's logical that he identifies with characters who are beset by adversity and struggle to beat the odds. They may not always succeed, but there's an ennobling characteristic in fighting the rising tide anyway.

I do have to side with Kellogg, though, that post-apocalyptic films are inherently misanthropic, because most operate on the premise that mankind either caused the collapse of civilization, or deserved whatever catastrophy destroyed civilization. With the current fad for climate change and all the other "man made" doomsday scenaria, it's getting pretty difficult to be optimistic about a brighter, nicer future. And when you are, there's an undercurrent that "brighter and nicer" is somehow like becoming a Stepford Wife--you have to surrender your thoughts and individuality and learn to love CFLs and food made out of renewable cellulose fibers.

For my part, when I go to see a film, I want to be amused and entertained, not grossed-out and depressed.

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>>There's some serious miscommunication here, if you think I was attacking you or your opinions<<

No, no, no, no, I'm not taking any offence, nor am I taking anything personally, nor am I perceiving this as an attack. I just sense you have a higher point that I'm missing, and you don't seem to be getting my point at all.

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There's some serious miscommunication here, if you think I was attacking you or your opinions.

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>>Okay, I'm listening to what you're saying.
Now, it seems that I've left you completely in the dark.
You don't see what I'm talking about at all.

Is that it?<<

Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.

Here's what I *think* I get.

1) You don't like stories with any element of misanthropy in them, even if it's for a greater purpose.
2) You don't like postapocalyptic stories at all.
3) You want to talk about 2 more than 1.

Beyond that, I think we're talking at crossed purposes. Let's try to sort that out: what do you think *I'M* saying?

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Let me get this straight.

Okay, I'm listening to what you're saying.
Now, it seems that I've left you completely in the dark.
You don't see what I'm talking about at all.

Is that it?

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>>At the heart of all post apocalypse stories is misanthropy. Most are variations on Noah's Ark.<<

You've sort of decided to limit this to Post Apocalyptic stuff, but initially we were discussing misanthropic stuff, right?

>>It's eliteism at it's most murderous. The whole world should die so I can be on top.<<

Actually, it's more like escapism: "Everyone should die so I don't have to take my Geometry II test, and I can play Cowboys and Indians forever."

>>You hold a dim view of Heinlein for his attitude that 'Everyone is an idiot except me!' This is the attitude of 'Everyone is an idiot and deserves to die except me!'<<<

Wait, wait, wait, wait, where are you getting this from? Have I *EVER* been elitist on here? Have I *EVER* said "Everyone but me should die?" Have I *EVER* endorced specicide? I have not. I like a freakin' Mel Gibson movie, is all. Sue me.

You're taking this too far. You're trying to draw parallels to the great dictators of history and some kind of intellectual poison in my brain because I like a 90 minute Australian adventure film that had a budget of 1.5 million dollars? Honestly? That's pretty crazy. You're trying to build an entire moral philosophy out of a concept that went something like "Hey, I want to make a western, but set it in the future....how would I go about doing that?" There's no political statement in the film, there's no nihilism. There's no 'everyone is an idiot but me.' What there is is a bunch of gay bikers with mohawks, and some defenseless refugees who are defended from the gay bikers by an ex-cop who doesn't talk much. I know what you think is there, but I promise you it isn't. It really isn't.

You wanna' go after stuff that really *IS* misanthropic? Well, let's start with the Saw movies, torture porn in general, most (But not all) slasher films, those are bad. And I'll agree that most environmental flicks are basically misanthropic. I'm not saying the problem doesn't exist, but you do seem to kind of be jumping at shadows here.

>>The problem with all this is that the desire to see the whole world die, quickly disqualifies a candidate from being awesome, or enlightened or in any way trustworthy enough to be placed anywhere near a position of power.<<

Sooooooooooooooooo what are we saying here, that Mel Gibson shouldn't be allowed to rule the world? Well I think we already knew that. That his character from The Road Warrior shouldn't be allowed to rule the world? He doesn't even try. He stays behind when they leave. That director George Miller shouldn't be allowed to rule the world? Well, anyone who saw "Babe II: Pig in the City" already knew that. He's a doctor by trade, actually. Directing is his 2nd career. Started out as just a hobby.

My facetious point being: I don't really see where you're going with this. You're saying...what, exactly? That people who enjoy a more-or-less-extinct genre of films that peaked 30 years ago are guilty of Wrongthink.

I understand that you don't like postapocalyptic films. (I'm largely indifferent to them) I understand that you don't like misanthropic films (I don't either, as a general rule). I guess what I don't understand is the level of stridency here makes me think I'm missing some higher level of logic I'm just too dim to pick up on. PLEASE don't tell me your entire point is "I don't like these movies, therefore no one else should either."

>>I find fantasizing about being the last man standing on Earth more than a little disturbing. It's even more disturbing about someone else fantasizing about being the last man standing on Earth ('cause that means I'm one of the bodies in the rubble.)<<

How about being the first man on Mars? Ever fantasize about that? About being the Adam of a new world? It's really the same exact fantasy. Think about it: Noah is Adam, mark II. The Bible expressly says so: Everyone after the flood is descended from Noah. There was a false start, if you will: Do over.

The urge to be Adam and Noah is the same thing. The urge to populate a new world is the same as the urge to survive the collapse of the old one. We all want to be fruitful and multiply, after all. That's all it is, just a different angle on the same ol' picture. A perspective thing.

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>>Yeah, P.A.D. is one of the disagreements that circle around Kev's and my friendship... He likes art (I use the term very generically) that destroys that which has gone before, I believe in art that builds up that which has gone before.<<

Nooooooooooooooooo, I like *ART.* I don't limit myself, is all. There's three things you can do: build, destroy, or tread water. I'm not arbitrarily ruling out 33% of everything "Just because."

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>>As I recall, he gets duped into being sacrificed as a target by the "Good" refugees to draw off the evil bikers so they can escape and they leave him to his fate.<<

You remember wrong. He volunteered to drive the tanker of his own free will. The plan - which is clearly stated in his presence - is that he'll lead the bikers away while the refugees head off to the north in the school bus and other vehicles.

The only part of the plan they didn't tell him about was that there wasn't any gas in the tanker, it was full of sand. But seeing as he was a diversion, and he KNEW he was a diversion, this hardly matters. He knew they had gas in the bus, too.

And seeing as a whole bunch of the refugees ride along with him, and die defending him - INCLUDING the leader of the refugees - it's hardly like they duped him and sacrificed him.

Indeed, in the last scene of the movie, we see that the Refugees met up with him again. And we find out that the child (Who Max saved) took an important moral lesson from all this, and went on to become the leader of The Great Northern Tribe, whereas the Bikers all died out.

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>>To say that Planet of the Apes is not of the same period as 1973 is, to me disingenuous.
I'm talking about SF between Star Trek and Star Wars, and it definitely fits in there.<<

You said "1970s". PotA is late '60s.

>>Uplifting sequels for Planet of the Apes? No.
Civilization falls because of a slave revolt of apes destroying the evil human masters, things degerate to a war between mutant humans and apes and then world blows up.<<

Clearly you're forgetting the final movie, which ends, as I said, with a human/ape civilization. The Lawgiver - referred to in the other movies but only seen here - has learned he needs to show mercy to his enemies. The timeline is altered, the future once again rocks, and it's a pretty kickass speech from Roddy McDowall, too.

>>Andromeda Strain:
Hello? Did you miss the government conspiracy the unleashed the whole mess from their space based bioweapons program and the government conspiracy to cover it all up?<<

Basic storytelling dictates that you have to have a conflict, which then has to be resolved. There was no conspiracy to RELEASE the virus, that happened by accident. They attempted to clean it up in secret because it's a secret program. Which is what governments do. The world was saved. How is this evil?

>>Food of the Gods: Humanity gets wiped out. Uplifting? No.<<

Did *man* do the wiping out? If not, then it's not our fault. It's miserable stinking nature. If it's NATURE that wipes us out, I'd argue it's NATURE taht's the enemy, yes?

>>The Omega Man: Humanity gets wiped out by a biological warfare plage. Uplifting? No.<<

I reiterate: Humanity does NOT get wiped out. Our species is saved through the heroic efforts of Charlton Heston.

>>Genesis II (Who says TV movies don't count?)<<

I do.

>>Civilization falls and lapses into barbarism. Regardless of plans to build things over, the whole, Civilization falls part puts it solidly in the post-apocalypse genre that I hate and you don't.<<

You hate without reason, my friend. I think we both can agree it's pretty crappy, regardless of whether it's postapocalyptic or not.

>>Silent Running might have taken a few pokes at environmentalists, but on the whole, it's a post apocalyptic mess in a space ship.<<

How in the holy hell do you figure that? There's been no Nuclear War, there's no widespread death and destruction. There are BILLIONS of people living on earth in at least as much comfort as we now enjoy (So says the film) and it's implied there's a lot of people living on other planets as well. There. Is. No. Apocalypse.

And the ship isn't at all apocalyptic, it's just a freighter. It's not even *MESSY.* It's got a park, fer gosh sakes! With bunny rabbits n'stuff!

>>Starlost? Not misanthropic? You my friend have a very differnent view of misanthropy than I do. Either that, or you don't know much about the show. It ain't about Noah's Ark, that's for sure. Three outcasts trying (and failing) to avert the disaster that will destroy the human race.<<

The premise of the show is that earth has ALREADY been destroyed. That is, by definition, postapocalyptic. The Starlost itself is Noah's Ark in space, carrying people to a new world. Alas, the crew died long ago in an accident, and the ship is off course and heading to destruction. Our Heroes are attempting to reach the auxilliary control room and regain control of the ship. On the whole, it's fairly "Phew, we dodged the bullet, there!" as opposed to "People are evil and deserve to be destroyed."

>>Capricorn 1 not science fiction? If so, then neither is Soylent Green.<<

Capricorn 1 is about the US government faking a manned mission to Mars. At no point does anyone in the film leave earth, go to Mars, or anything else. It's as much SF as wrestling.

>>Hmm. I think you and I are just going to have to establish a short means of referring to this disagreement: You like post apocalyptic films and I hate them with a passion.<<

You assume too much. I love *ONE* Postapocalyptic film. One. Exactly one. I can't think of any others that I even *like* all that much, and brother I've seen a lot of 'em. I'm not ruling out an entire genre, though. There's lots of kinds of films I don't like. Musicals, for instance. Does that mean that musicals are bad, evil, wicked, nasty, and altogether bad for my skin? No. I just dont' like 'em. I don't begrudge people who do (Though I do kinda' tease 'em about it). I dont' claim any moral or idealogical stance to support my position: I just don't like 'em. If you do, swell, I know what to get you for your birthday. If not, who gives a crap?

>>It lies in an emotional judgement of the material. We could argue on facts, but we can't argue on emotions.<<

Honestly, I'm being pretty objective here.

Star Trek, by the way, is Post Apocalyptic. World War III, and the 21st century sucked, and stuff like that. It got better, though, right?

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Good Morning Kevin,

Okay, I'm not trying to prolong an argument, but I had a thought that might help you understand where I'm coming from on Misanthropic stories.

At the heart of all post apocalypse stories is misanthropy. Most are variations on Noah's Ark.

Humanity is (pick one) bad, sinful, evil, stupid, wasteful, or is generally guilty of the high crime of not recognizing ME as the most awesome person in the universe and crowning ME emporor for life. Wouldn't it be cool if something wiped everyone out (except me and a few of my friends (the cool ones) and the hot chicks from the apartment down the street.)

It's eliteism at it's most murderous. The whole world should die so I can be on top.

You hold a dim view of Heinlein for his attitude that 'Everyone is an idiot except me!' This is the attitude of 'Everyone is an idiot and deserves to die except me!'

(Lots of dictators in the 20th century tried to do exactly this. It's a very Liberal idea. Exterminate the old and put our revolutionary forces in power.)

The problem with all this is that the desire to see the whole world die, quickly disqualifies a candidate from being awesome, or enlightened or in any way trustworthy enough to be placed anywhere near a position of power.

I find fantasizing about being the last man standing on Earth more than a little disturbing. It's even more disturbing about someone else fantasizing about being the last man standing on Earth ('cause that means I'm one of the bodies in the rubble.)

See where I'm coming from?

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P.A.D.

Yeah, P.A.D. is one of the disagreements that circle around Kev's and my friendship... He likes art (I use the term very generically) that destroys that which has gone before, I believe in art that builds up that which has gone before.

He likes punk, too.

It's the same disagreement that underlies the criticism argument that Kevin just won.

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As I recall, he gets duped into being sacrificed as a target by the "Good" refugees to draw off the evil bikers so they can escape and they leave him to his fate.

Yeah, yeah. I know: P.A.D.

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To say that Planet of the Apes is not of the same period as 1973 is, to me disingenuous.

I'm talking about SF between Star Trek and Star Wars, and it definitely fits in there.

Uplifting sequels for Planet of the Apes? No.
Civilization falls because of a slave revolt of apes destroying the evil human masters, things degerate to a war between mutant humans and apes and then world blows up.

Andromeda Strain:
"Hello? THEY SAVE THE WORLD FROM EXTINCTION? What's bad about that?"

Hello? Did you miss the government conspiracy the unleashed the whole mess from their space based bioweapons program and the government conspiracy to cover it all up?

Food of the Gods: Humanity gets wiped out. Uplifting? No.

The Omega Man: Humanity gets wiped out by a biological warfare plage. Uplifting? No.

Genesis II (Who says TV movies don't count?)
Civilization falls and lapses into barbarism. Regardless of plans to build things over, the whole, Civilization falls part puts it solidly in the post-apocalypse genre that I hate and you don't.

Silent Running might have taken a few pokes at environmentalists, but on the whole, it's a post apocalyptic mess in a space ship.

Starlost? Not misanthropic? You my friend have a very differnent view of misanthropy than I do. Either that, or you don't know much about the show. It ain't about Noah's Ark, that's for sure. Three outcasts trying (and failing) to avert the disaster that will destroy the human race.

Capricorn 1 not science fiction? If so, then neither is Soylent Green.

As for the difference between post apocalyptic stories and cautionary tales? Sorry, I don't see it. As far as I'm concerned all post apocalyptic stories are cautionary tales. (Though not all cautionary tales are post apocalyptic ones.)

Hmm. I think you and I are just going to have to establish a short means of referring to this disagreement: You like post apocalyptic films and I hate them with a passion. I don't think I'm going to pursuade you to agree. And, while I can see your position, it doesn't work for me. It lies in an emotional judgement of the material. We could argue on facts, but we can't argue on emotions.

Let's call it Post Apocalyptic Disagreement.
We can shorten it to P.A.D.

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>>humans were Bad and the world would be better off if they all died...except for me and my buddies. And that hot chick from down the street. And the crazy old coot with the army surplus stuff, he can come in handy.<<

That's really more of an '80s thing. Road Warrior, and its myriads of imitators. Which, as I've discussed elsewhere, isn't about society being bad (In fact, "Mad Max (1979)" makes it VERY clear that the collapse of civilizaiton is a bad thing), but rather about people's yearning for a less complex, simpler life. Westerns were no longer relevant, so we had to invent a modern analog, hence the postapocalyptic biker flick.

I'll also point out that The Road Warrior (FAR and away the best example of the genre) is a triumph of humanism over brutality. Max is a broken man, lost his wife, his kid, his civilization, everything. He ends up getting embroiled in a struggle between some evil bikers and some basically good refugees. It's none of his business, he wants nothing to do with it, but he gets involved anyway, defeats the bad guys, saves most of the good guys, in the process gives birth to a *new* civilization, becomes a legend, *AND IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS* "It was there, in that blighted place, that he learned how to live again."

He helps others, he becomes un-broken. He goes sane.

How is that misanthropic by any definition of the word?

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SF in the 1970's bored me because it was so bombastic. I know SF was always about having a "message," but in the '70's that message was no longer about uplifting the human spirit and overcoming obstacles, but that humans were Bad and the world would be better off if they all died...except for me and my buddies. And that hot chick from down the street. And the crazy old coot with the army surplus stuff, he can come in handy.

And the kids who grew up watching these films are now making films about zombie apocalypses and the collapse of the environment and stuff.

I'm a little tired of being told my species is worthless, dangerous, and ought to be annihilated for the good of the planet.

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>>You're forgetting what it was like in the 1970s. It wasn't a pinch, it was a heavy diet of misanthropy and potatoes.<<

Bup-bup-bup-bup: I didn't say 'a pinch' was what we GOT, I said a pinch is good. More than a pinch is bad, we both agree.

But really some of this is in the eye of the beholder:

Planet of the Apes - 1968. Doesn't count.
(Endless Sequels) - The first sequel is extremly misanthropic, what with Moses destroying the world and all, but from that point on, the movies get brighter, showing people confronting bad stuff, rising above it, and the final movie in the series ends in triumph, with humans and apes living alongside each other as equals, none of that slavery and blowing up the earth stuff ever having happened.

Soylent Green - Admittedly depressing, but intended as a cautionary tale. It's not a case of "Humans screw up everything," it's more a case of "Yo, heads up: If this goes on...."

Andromeda Strain - Hello? THEY SAVE THE WORLD FROM EXTINCTION? What's bad about that?

Westworld - A theme park goes goofy and starts killing people. What's misanthropic about that? It's an accident.

Futureworld - See above.

Food of the Gods - Nature kills people. The people dont' really have it coming. This is anti nature, if antything, not anti-humanity.

Omega Man - Last man on earth sacrifices himself to save the human species and the woman he loves. Ends letting us know that the human race will not only survive, but likely be better than it was before. How is that misanthropic?

Zardoz - I can't really argue this one.

A Boy and his Dog - I can't really argue this one either.

Genesis II - TV movie, doesn't count. Also: if this is misanthropic, then so is Star Trek, because this was conceived of as Star Trek in a Camper Van, with the Pax/Federation spreading civilization to the barbarians.

Willard - Not SF. Doesn't count.

Silent Running - Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe. I used to think that, but on my close viewing recently, I concluded that it was a sly dig at the incompetence of the environmental movement. Of course it could be both at the same time.

Starlost - How is Noah's Ark at *all* Misanthropic?

Ark II - See "Genesis II" above.

Ark II for grownups: Damnation Alley - The bad guys blow themselves up in the opening credits. The rest of the movie is an attempt to get to the last enclave of civilization, which is evidently quite nice and civilized, while saving several people along the way. Where you see misanthropy, I see a bunch of heroes knucking down and working together to get through a crisis. Also: spanking it to dirty magazines can result in people burning to death. That happens like 10 minutes into the film.

Logan's Run - Can't argue this one, though the book is CLEARLY supposed to be a cautionary tale, and I think the movie is undoubtedly intended as one, too.

Capricorn 1 - Not a science fiction movie.

I think you're kind of jumping at a lot of shadows here. Firstly, I think "Cautionary Tales" deserve their own category, since their grim, depressing tone is generally in service of a higher, pro-humanistic point. Secondly, a lot of the things you're pointing out are simply obstacles for our heroes to overcome. Thirdly, there's some genuine optimisim in a lot of these films that you're overlooking or simply forgetting.

Day of the Dolphin is *not* a great movie by any stretch, and I'll even go so far as to say it takes a pretty damn dim view of humnanity. I think it is misanthropic, and it went out of its way to have a depressing-as-hell ending, but there's a spark there: the very SLIGHT chance that we could pass our wisdom on to another species, the very SLIGHT chance that Fa and Bea might help uplift their whole species. There's also the concept of parents sacrificing themselves for the survival of their kids, which is noble. So it's not "Humanity sucks" it's more "Buck Henry should stick to comedy" thing.

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A Pinch

"a pinch of misanthropy between the cheek and gum can be quite refreshing."

You're forgetting what it was like in the 1970s. It wasn't a pinch, it was a heavy diet of misanthropy and potatoes.

Planet of the Apes
(Endless Sequels)
Soylent Green
Andromeda Strain
Westworld
Futureworld
Food of the Gods
Omega Man
Zardoz
A Boy and his Dog
Genesis II
Willard
Silent Running
Starlost
Ark II
Ark II for grownups: Damnation Alley
Logan's Run
Capricorn 1

Heck even Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers start with the end of the world...

The science fiction between Star Trek and Star Wars was generally of the, slash-your-wrists-before-the-whole-world-falls-apart variety. I've seen enough post apocalyptic movies to last me. I don't need any more. Day of the Dolphin is another "Humans Spoil Everything" movie.

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I have not seen this movie in

I have not seen this movie in years even though I have the VHS. I remember it as a slow and sad film that one might watch on a rainy day. I also remember that Scott was good in it but not as great as Patton or his role in Dr. Strangelove.

Day of the Dolphin has the same sort of attitude as the other early 70's genre films like Soylent Green and Zardoz. The Vietnam War was winding down and pollution was starting to show mass affects so optimism was hard to come by. As a early teen I could feel this in the way the adults acted.

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A pinch of misanthropy between the cheek and gum...

I think I disagree. Actual misantrhopy is bad, agreed, but a pinch of misanthropy between the cheek and gum can be quite refreshing. You know, just as seasoning. I mean, Drama requires conflict, and the best drama is basically the human heart at war with itself. This implies that to tell a good story, you have to have a good bad guy, or at least some bad influences that a good guy either defeats or is defeated by. If he loses, it's a tragedy, but tragedies are not by definition misanthropic, they're simply tragic. In fact, they can even be seen as triumphal if one goes down defending others, or staying true to his/her core.

And did Star Wars lift the gloom? No, I don't think it did. It simply moved The Guns of Navarone into space, and gave us a happy ending. The Nazis are not defeated in the movie, however, we've lost friends and family, Luke is an orphan, and then a homeless orphan, and though he saves the day, he's still a wanted criminal on the run, his future uncertain, fighting an implacable foe that is unquestionably VERY misanthropic.

And as for dystopic stuff like 1984, well, hell, we're not *SUPPOSED* to like it. It's a cautionary tale. It's suppsoed to motivate us to avoid that kind of thing.

But really I suspect a hint of misanthropy and self-loathing is healthy. How many people died in the Civil War? 750,000? For no good reason? How many people died in WWII? How many in death camps for even less reason? Does this mean humanity is evil? No, probably not, but it does mean that we're very easily capable of being evil, and just a hint of self-loathing inspires us to be better. That's what hope is all about, right? That we're not good enough now, but with enough work, we can become better? That we can grow?

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...And Thanks For All The Fish!

I remember liking this film when I was a kid--as you said, talking dolphins, what's not to love? I even had two inflatable dolphin pool toys that I named "Fa" and "Bea."

The rest of the film I completely forgot. I have a dim memory of the dolphins being part of some sort of training program, and then the Navy comandeers them to put bombs on a boat, but I forgot that it was the President's boat. I also remember it as George C. Scott driving the dolphins out to sea to prevent the Navy from getting their hands on them.

This was made during the heyday of Jacques Cousteau and the Calypso, when the notion of dolphins being as smart as humans--or even smarter (the lack of technology could have been a lifestyle choice, or just a result of not having, you know, fingers...) was all the rage.

Also I think the Navy actually has (or had) dolphins trained to stick magnetic bombs to boats.

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I remember it, but never watched it.

It ran endlessly on the afternoon movies after school. I tried watching it but got bored and found my homework more interesting.

I remember the very mysanthropic direction of the film. Which may have been what bored me. Back in the 1970s, there was a lot of preaching about how dumb/bad/evil humanity was. They tried to pass all that stuff out as science fiction. (I'm guessing it was to appeal to the baby boomers who were bumping their heads on reality and saying that everyone else was a bunch of doody-heads.)

It took Star Wars in 1977 to break the gloom. But, sadly, that didn't last long, and all too soon we went back to the gloom and doom and humanity is dumb.

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